Battle. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. That being said Maul is a very..very awesome DPS but as you know very fragile. I don't think Vader is literally sub TPM Kenobi but I'd say he's definitely weaker than Dooku. Count Dooku was well aware that Darth Maul had killed Qui-Gon. Dooku was clearly stronger, I know A>B, B>C, doesnt always equal to A>C but a young Obi-Wan managed to beat Maul and he got creamed by Dooku twice when he had far more experiance. So what are you rambling about? Let me know in the comments below! Irrelevant. 1 Description 2 Interlude 3 Pre Fight 4 HERE WE GO! The two never got to face one another. If you really want to use Maul you may be able to pull it off with 2 healers but most players will gun him down quickly making it a 4 vs 5 in the first turn. Shouldn't you extend this courtesy to yourself as well? Round 1) Dooku. It literally refers to top five duelists who use red lightsabers. it was designed for that type of fight. Yoda VS Sidious is a stalemate, slight advantage to Yoda if the environment doesn't have a lot of junk for Sidious to throw around with the Force. This means that no matter how much of a connection we had to Dooku in the films, the more committed Star Wars fans will have been fed much more Maul. Posted by 1 month ago. So for now let's say I'll come back to it later. And even if Maul's lightsaber skills have developed enough to fight on equal footing with Dooku (which I doubt they have since Dooku is powerful enough to rival Yoda himself) Dooku would pull off the win with his knowledge of the force and end up turning it around In this book Maul is stated to be trained not as a true sith. In 2 vs 1 and after geting purposely tounted into the dark side with Dooku not even trying to kill him. Something that Maul never learned from him. When it comes to Star Wars, most of the Sith Lords from the prequel trilogy retain the title of "Darth," from Sidious, to Maul, to Vader.. 4 Maul & Savage Opress Vs. They were both performing it. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on November 17th 2020, 3:56 pm "vader's military power made sedriss and kar vastor shit their pants more than they even shat their pants" - phantom menace. Kenobi VS Maul can go both ways, Maul usually took the advantage in their Clone War duels. Darth Maul’s return was a surprise, which turned into a dramatic and important storyline that would continue in Solo and Star Wars: Rebels. I don't think Vader is literally sub TPM Kenobi but I'd say he's definitely weaker than Dooku. This is … Dooku looked like Christopher Lee, because, well, he was played by Christopher Lee. Is this the longest lightsaber battle? Darth Maul and Count Dooku were both talented Sith Lords in their own right. Darth Maul vs Count Dookuis an upcoming DBX by PillsburyZomboi. Count Dooku was Christopher Lee’s take on the dark side of the force, an elderly ex-Jedi capable of impressive lightsaber warfare, but not impressive enough to keep his head. Maul's primary abilites are his saber skills, and he loses to a Padawan, whereas Dooku battles Yoda to stalemate. Although I think Maul is much cooler and his style is much flashier and cooler to watch than Dooku. The battle is an illusion created by Sidious and Dooku but is phenomenal to watch. Not to mention Dooku is a coward DARTH MAUL WAS THE BEST: He Evaded Death In The Clone Wars. Sheev/Dooku vs Talzin/Maul = Talzin put entirely on the defensive to a point where she stops getting Maul to help and throws him away so he lives You could argue outlier or whatever, but if you're accepting that it was power vs power, then in that instance Dooku looks much better than Maul. What? Solo; Rogue One; The Clone Wars; Rebels; Resistance; The Mandalorian; Untitled Cassian Andor television series A one-stop shop for all things video games. Your claiming that because Maul casually held off Grievous then TK'd him out of the tower's window so he eventually came back when Talzin intentionally sacrificed herself for Maul to escape proves that Grievous is a match for Maul as a duelist? After Maul's seeming demise and twelve year absence came fallen Jedi and Count of Serenno, Dooku, who adopted the name Darth Tyranus. Complete package in terms of the force 3. Yoda VS Sidious is a stalemate, slight advantage to Yoda if the environment doesn't have a lot of junk for Sidious to throw around with the Force. This allows us to build up much more of a connection to Dooku in the film series. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on December 17th 2020, 11:18 pm @lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: does lucas acknowledge ben getting less skilled by any chance? It doesn’t stop it from being the coolest weapon in the franchise, though. He has so much will and hatred, sand while Dooku was smart, Maul had the intelligence to create a massive empire without anyone knowing he was even involved. Which is just as stupid as them capturing Obiwan or Anakin, yeah, The same Talzin that got disarmed by Sidious in a second and was stated to be. You are using an out of date browser. Honestly going by Lucas's statements Dooku VS Vader AND Maul might be more a fair fight. Maul and Dooku win this easily. 1. They are undoubtedly close. In all seriousness though Kenobi is downplayed a lot, mostly because the Count absolutely tools him whenever they meet. Ben Grimm Kicking the Hulk's Ass. RELATED: Star Wars: 10 Things You Didn’t Know About The Knights Of Ren. Disney "canon" is an entire different continuity from Lucas canon. First, lets analyse each contestant force powers and skill with a lighsaber. It just proves that Tyranus' dark side knowledge was more developed then Mauls. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on November 17th 2020, 3:56 pm "vader's military power made sedriss and kar vastor shit their pants more than they even shat their pants" - phantom menace. The son of Mother Talzin, he was trained by Sidious as a Sith assassin and became an incredibly skilled duelist. It doesn't trump the latter either for that very reason. Darth Sidious Vs Darth Vader,Darth Maul,and Count Dooku. Unless I see a definitive statement that it's about skill I consider it not clear. Canon Mace doesn't have as good of a record as the legends versions and he even struggled against bounty hunters. This is completely irrelevant to the. Dude, she literally says it in the episode with Mace and Jar Jar. Even in the Clone Wars show Dooku always had the advantage even in two on one situations vs Anakin and Obi where as Obi and Maul looked even. As for Legends I'd back Dooku. Though he supposedly died on Naboo at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi, he resurfaced years later, having survived through his sheer hatred. Dooku beat them both, then held his own against yoda. Yeah. Once one of the most respected members of the Jedi Order, the death of his former Padawan, Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn, as well as the corruption he saw in the Republic left him disil… As a duelist he, Keep in mind Count Dooku even resorted to. Considering Talzin and Sidious were stuck in a stalemate as they were dueling with Force Lightning and the stalemate between the two never changed even when Maul aided his mother and Dooku supported Sidious. Since, unless canon changes, the idea that Lucas put forward was that Dooku was kind of a fallback plan because Sidious didn't have time to raise another apprentice from childhood. Also you have yet to actually give a rebuttal to Plagueis enraging Sidious by calling Maul expendable when all of the actual evidence of Sidious shows him regarding Maul as a true apprentice and successor where as in both canons, Sidious never truly cared about Dooku and he only served as a stop-gap between Maul to Anakin. JavaScript is disabled. RELATED: 5 Reasons Emperor Palpatine Is THE Villain Of Star Wars (And 5 That It’s Darth Vader) Both Maul and Tyranus are formidable Sith, with many accomplishments and fallen foes to their names. In fact, the latter’s death was one of the major catalysts that lead Dooku to be completely ensnared by Darth Sidious. Maul focuses on rage and anger, something Dooku doesn't defend well against. Round 2) Close call, but still Dooku. Basic raw power 2. As for Legends I'd back Dooku. Windy VS Dooku I think Windu wins semi-comfortably. Despite Maul being a better fighter to watch, he obviously didn’t have the same skill level and control of the force as Count Dooku. Because fights always end with the better fighter winning 100% of the time. Even the writer of the Son of Dathomir comic book thinks that Darth Maul would beat Count Dooku in a duel more often than not. He used him only once in a Sith sorcery technique because of his bond with Yoda as the latter's former apprentice to try and break Yoda's spirit. After that, we will look at Maul and Dooku greatest feats. However, the two have very different personalities. In the most pivotal moment in the … How many people can say they’ve fought Yoda and lived? Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on Wed 16 Dec 2020 - 12:14 @Meatpants wrote: Because Lucas says that he improved the choreography in each of the OT movies to show that Luke and Vader are getting better, then segues into how Maul and co. are faster and more skilled. Dooku was casually Force-choked by Sidious across the galaxy, and was incapable of doing anything to … It proves that Grievaus is good enough to hold his own and Maul's force push is not enough to finish him. 5 Conclusion Star Wars vs … Complete combat Her stick is that she became powerful by using magic ichor on her planet and stealing energy from other beings. This is also factually untrue. Registered: Jul 9, 2004. Dooku vs. Maul Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links. Dooku however was always expendable and never anything more than a temporary tool before he got Anakin. Kenobi VS Maul can go both ways, Maul usually took the advantage in their Clone War duels. Close. Can Darth Sidious defeat all of his former apprenticesif they decided to team up? or is that implied because he is an old man? I never said anything about Windu. Make this a canon only fight and Vader may take it. Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Delta_36, Jul 4, 2005. The same pirates that shut off Maul's mechanical leg and forced him to run away. There is no major power gap between them. Despite this, he wasn’t on our screens very often and only spoke 31 words in the entire film. And few seconds later he comes back to kill Talzin. Darth Maul would win because he focuses on rage and anger which Dooku doesn't defend well against. And also beyond that, Sidious did highly value Maul while Dooku was always ever seen as a stop-gap temporary expendable apprentice until he got Anakin; where as he rationalized losing Maul was a huge blow which directly contradicts your claim Maul was only ever seen as a "weapon". This is tricky because we never actually see Maul in his ‘prime’. Nah. Yoda fights off Dark Side temptations, Anakin kills Dooku, and Palpatine and Yoda have a great battle, with Anakin also getting in some great swipes at Sidious. Maul was a Dathomirian Zabrak and the apprentice of Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith. But potential seems to only go so far. Maul wouldn't last very long before Dooku let loose and shocked the crap out of the red and black attack. And a series of huge slashes and quick manoeuvers?… Rechecked, there's the old conversation where Sidious talks to Vader about Maul and how he had a Force-Bond of sorts with Maul; so when the events of the duel's outcome on Naboo went down, he felt a tremendous blow to himself and the dark side when Maul was seemingly "killed". You are forgeting important details like Talzin being naturally stronger on Dathomir and her draining power from Dooku before the fight. Maul and Dooku are, at the very least equals. The nightsisters magick comes from taping into the spirit ichor (the green substance) that runs within Dathomir (stated in the Star Wars encyclopedia). Come on man, don't even go there when Dooku was kidnapped by space pirates. It pits both Darth Maul and Count Dooku from Star Wars. Killed Oppress easily enough, and when he got tired of sabers, he had Maul on the ground begging for mercy after he threw him into the wall and the ground. Darth Maul was a fierce warrior who Palpatine assumed would be a valuable asset to his cause. So that clearly didn't end the fight. If he's bloodlusted I'd give it to Maul, who fights harder and better the angrier he is. It pits both Darth Maul and Count Dooku from Star Wars. Standalone films and television. When Dooku died, he was gone for good. Which also explains why Obiwan was even able to fight Anakin. While fans who are only … And also refuted. Are you one of those crazies who think some dark sider is always getting a magic force boost from a planet at all times too? In the movies Dooku and Maul are going to win. In the trailer, Lucasfilm decided to show fans Maul’s double-ended lightsaber and ruin the goosebump-inducing reveal in the film, which was odd. Windy VS Dooku … Maul because his greatest strength is Dooku's greatest weakness: rage. Specifically in regards to swordsmanship. Darth Maul vs Count Dookuis an upcoming DBX by PillsburyZomboi. 2. So Maul is stronger than Dooku but weaker than Obi-Wan? The argument isn't working there, pal. Oh, there's also a scene there where Plagueis meets Dooku and for a moment he considers replacing Sidious with him. No matter how cool Maul looked, it’s hard to compete with Dooku. Dooku knows nothing of Sith or dark side sorcery on his own and Maul not yet learning Force Lightning is irrelevant because in neither continuity is it indicated Sidious delibarately withheld from teaching Force Lightning to him. I'll also happily repeat that the one time Dooku was immediately challenged by Windu, who unlike Maul, took him on head to head...Dooku ran away after blind siding Windu by knocking some battle-droids into him as he went into a pit and fucked off the planet immediately. During the early stages of the creation of Attack of the Clones, Asajj Ventress was created by the art department and considered for the role of the film's Sith antagonist.As Star Wars fans know, this role ended up being filled by Count Dooku. That has nothing to do with Talzin naturally stalemating Windu on her lonesome in her own body with little effort. It's just a reference book with a bunch of random stuff in it. Count Dooku for me is just the smarter, more elegant and in any field more sophisticated guy. In the Clone Wars, when Dooku was fighting Savage Opress (who uses a double-bladed lightsaber like Maul, I might add) he was owning Savage in with the Force but whenever it came down to lightsaber combat Savage would constantly knock him down easily. I don't see how he could win. 3. This created a very interesting dynamic in which Dooku was fighting against those who were once his closest allies. Also even in the RotS novelization when he catches Obi-Wan offguard with a Force-Choke during the duel on the Invisible Hand, the narration directly states had Obi-Wan been fractionally faster he would've defended successfully against Dooku indicating Dooku was nowhere as strong or the gap was as big between him and the Jedi as lead to believe. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on Wed 16 Dec 2020 - 12:14 @Meatpants wrote: Because Lucas says that he improved the choreography in each of the OT movies to show that Luke and Vader are getting better, then segues into how Maul and co. are faster and more skilled. Dooku is leagues above Maul Force wise. Although, I'm not trying to prove that Grievous is somehow more skilled then Maul, just that the gap in skill is not as big as you are trying to paint it and Grievous could put up a fight without geting stomped in blade exchange. If this was 1 vs 1 then likely the fight against Maul would also continue. Count Dooku can’t quite compete with the fierceness of Maul’s double-ended lightsaber. Make this a canon only fight and Vader may take it. Dooku vs. Maul. Alexrd and Defensor are right- Maul needed to die in TPM in order for Dooku to come in, for a number of reasons, them being: 1. 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Yeah I was worried that Filloni's influence would of had Ashoka take over too much as it seems he wants her to be the new SW main character but if her role was small and not overwhelming and they gave some much needed respect back to Luke than I hope this either retcons the Sequels or at least means they will focus on an alternate timeline that takes more from the Old EU instead. Sabers - Dooku, 6-7/10. Ever. While fans who are only interested in the films would say that Maul died at the end of The Phantom Menace and that was the end of it, he canonically survived. RELATED: The Mandalorian: 10 Best Mandalorian And Baby Yoda Moments. Sidious never taught Dooku any Sith magic. Dooku easily. Today in Fantasy Fight, two Sith Lords from Star Wars duel each other to find out who the true master of the dark side is. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. Dooku was casually Force-choked by Sidious across the galaxy, and was incapable of doing anything to actually make him stop, until Sidious cut the link. It's a weapon that Tyranus can use, while Maul can't and it's highly useful in combat. Dooku's powers are expanded upon, as he wins or stalemates numerous fights, even against multiple opponents. To end a poor film with one of the best fighters in Star Wars history cemented Maul’s legacy. Darth Maul wanted to kill Anakin before everyone else did. If Count Dooku and Darth Maul fought a lightsaber duel between eachother, who would come out on top? There are very few people cool enough to have major roles in Star Wars and Lord Of The Rings while in their 80s and fronting a heavy metal band on the side. This allowed the subtle coolness of the curved hilt on his lightsaber to compliment him as a person just as much as Maul’s double-ended weapon did. Maul was a warrior of supreme skill. In the Clone Wars, when Dooku was fighting against Savage Opress (Maul's younger brother and someone who, like Maul uses a double-bladed lightsaber) he trumped him in Force, but every time it came down to lightsaber combat, Dooku … One was old and disfigured and one spent most of his time under a mask, but they were still human. And even Savage disarmed Dooku, and only lost because Dooku was more powerful in the force. the 2 fights vs Count Dookubest character ever Christopher Leetwo of the best and most saying scenesJust DEW IT and subscribe The entire shtick is she is a Night Sister who uses the dark side for magic and sorcery, not because she never had Force abilities to begin with. Nobody progresses or regresses. No, because he did took active role in the ritual, so he had to have some knowledge about sith magic. It actually makes more sense if it's top 5 most popular red lightsaber vielders. Dooku would have trouble with his extremely aggressive style. 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